00:00.86
Andy Young
Welcome back to the 825 Technologies Podcast. Today, we’re starting with something right out of the gate that sounds straight out of science fiction.
00:11.20
Tim
you
00:11.56
Andy Young
It’s a nuclear battery that lasts 50 years. I’m here with Tim. And Tim, what can you tell us about this science fiction battery?
00:21.32
Tim
Oh, it’s, uh, I mean, it’s pretty incredible, Andy. A Chinese company called BetaVolt has developed atomic energy battery with 50 years lifespan.
00:35.05
Tim
This tiny 15 by 15 by 5 millimeter battery delivers 100 watts, microwatts at three volts.
00:42.57
Tim
It’s pretty crazy.
00:42.96
Andy Young
Whoa. Whoa. So like 15, that’s smaller than a quarter.
00:45.81
Tim
It’s little bit.
00:47.32
Andy Young
Like this is a small battery.
00:48.25
Tim
Right.
00:50.61
Andy Young
That’s insane. How did, like, so it’s nuclear. How does it work?
00:54.51
Tim
The Betavolt claims that it’s completely safe for consumers. But they’re using a nickel 63 isotope at an energy source that decays to copper the diamond semiconductor material as the converter.
01:06.28
Andy Young
Ooh.
01:10.56
Tim
The construction is fascinating. They place two micron thick nickel 63 sheets between two diamond semiconductor converters. Ooh.
01:20.50
Andy Young
Yeah, no. So yeah, you got like your isotope diamond converter, isotope. Okay, so that’s how you’re getting like energy out of this.
01:30.96
Andy Young
You know, nuclear batteries, I guess, were around for a while. They’ve been like to space and stuff is what they used different space missions. Are they safe for us normal people on Earth?
01:41.38
Andy Young
That’s the question, right?
01:43.91
Tim
The vetable claims that it’s completely safe for consumers. That’s a good thing. And like older nuclear batteries from the 60s, they use materials like plutonium.
01:54.58
Andy Young
Plutonium. Yeah, they did it.
01:56.18
Andy Young
Yeah, the plutonium batteries. Those were the ones.
01:59.20
Tim
This one won’t leak radiation damage. It can be operating extreme temperature between negative 60 to 100 degrees Celsius. Woo.
02:06.97
Andy Young
Wow.
02:07.59
Tim
That’s some good temperatures there.
02:09.37
Andy Young
Yes. Yes. I mean, like what? 120 Celsius is up in the 200 Fahrenheit.
02:16.43
Tim
Yeah, that’s right.
02:17.73
Andy Young
Yeah.
02:18.40
Tim
Yeah.
02:18.38
Andy Young
I wonder if your car gets that hot.
02:21.40
Tim
That’s hot.
02:22.22
Andy Young
You know, like, yeah, and the inside of your car, you know, during the summer when you leave stuff in there and it just melts. You’re like, how did that melt?
02:27.75
Tim
Oh, I hate that.
02:28.70
Andy Young
Yeah. Yeah. Who knows, right? So this is really cool. You’ve got a super small battery. It performs in extreme cold, extreme heat. Where is this going to go? What are the applications for this technology?
02:42.69
Tim
Well, right now the power output is fairly low, but they’re playing a one watt version in 2025.
02:49.30
Andy Young
Oh.
02:50.46
Tim
We could eventually see the aerospace equipment, AI devices, medical equipment, and sensors, drones, and robots. The bettable is even suggesting future smartphones that never need charging. Hey, at that.
03:03.63
Andy Young
What? All right. All right. That, yeah. I mean, think of, wow.
03:08.95
Tim
I’ll take that.
03:12.24
Andy Young
Yeah, that, that would be, you know, even if it worked in tandem with like a lithium high on in the smaller battery trickle charge, the bigger battery, you know, that could work too, but man, that would be
03:26.02
Andy Young
Yeah. Yeah, you wonder if it would, you know, you get it wet in water, what happens? Probably nothing. Because it’s just diamond.
03:34.20
Tim
Hopefully.
03:35.68
Andy Young
Yeah, it’s diamond and nickel. So I doubt much would happen to the battery if it got wet.
03:40.96
Tim
I mean, with new casing and stuff involved, maybe more protection. don’t know.
03:47.30
Andy Young
That’s true. So, I mean, for our clients… mobile device management, sensors. That’s crazy. Say you’ve got a pump station and you want to measure flow rate. Now you could put out a sensor that 50 years, it just runs.
04:03.08
Tim
Jeez.
04:03.78
Andy Young
You don’t need batteries. You don’t put it on trail cams. You could remotely monitor. Wow. Wow. Yes.
04:10.86
Tim
That’s pretty cool.
04:12.13
Andy Young
Yeah. So, you know, mobile device management, it’s the wave of the future. IoT, it’s growing. You know, if people are listening and they don’t know, I feel it’s incumbent on me to let you know that A25 Technologies helps businesses optimize these types of devices.
04:26.64
Tim
Mm-hmm.
04:30.34
Andy Young
So, you know, this is it. We’re on the cutting edge. We’re telling you about stuff before it even comes around. And even, know, Z-Wave or know Unify is coming out with a new ultra frequency that will travel a quarter mile.
04:43.62
Andy Young
You know, there’s new Wi-Fi coming out that will travel numerous miles and still carry it.
04:48.29
Tim
Always.
04:49.77
Andy Young
Yeah. So, you know, this is the technology we love because it revolutionizes the way businesses run and operate and use their budget money and ultimately run more efficiently.
05:00.90
Andy Young
So excuse me. Yeah. So good stuff there.
05:07.47
Tim
And then, uh, yeah. Oh, something new. Uh, Amazon’s last minute bid for Tik TOK. Hmm.
05:15.16
Andy Young
Oh, yes.
05:15.43
Tim
Hmm. Andy, there’s been a major development in TikTok saga. Amazon has submitted a last-minute bid for acquired TikTok just days before the April 5th deadline.
05:21.28
Andy Young
Goodness gracious.
05:27.31
Andy Young
Yes, that is right.
05:30.50
Andy Young
So yeah, when President Trump supposedly has put another deadline out, it’s hard to tell with all the noise that comes from the White House sometimes. But TikTok is supposed to, by April 5th, find a non-Chinese buyer for the United States leg of that ByteDance Corporation that runs TikTok in the US.
05:52.75
Andy Young
So basically, there are some companies out there bidding. Amazon has joined this bidding war, which is a pretty significant development.
06:01.36
Tim
It certainly is. Amazon stock actually jumped 1.3% when the news broke. They’re joining other potential buyers, including private equity firms, Blackstone, which is considered partnering with ByteDance and current non-Chinese investors.
06:16.81
Andy Young
Yeah.
06:16.98
Tim
Hmm.
06:17.58
Andy Young
So President Trump, he has mentioned that he’s been in discussions, which he discusses a lot.
06:25.28
Tim
He does discuss the bottom line.
06:26.13
Andy Young
He has a lot of discussions there. And he’s claiming there’s four different groups for the sale. And I think probably expectations would be TikTok’s future.
06:39.69
Andy Young
Maybe today, but today’s the… The third, Thursday, the third. So yeah, I think the meetings today, hopefully they, they get something figured out. Who knows?
06:51.01
Andy Young
Who are some of the other companies?
06:52.75
Tim
Other bidders including Applevin, a group with tech giant Oracle.
06:57.66
Andy Young
Hmm.
06:59.05
Tim
Even with Trump’s approval deal, China will still need to sign on it. Sign off on it. Sorry.
07:04.41
Andy Young
Yeah. So you’ve got, yeah, that’s a,
07:10.53
Andy Young
It’s an interesting app because I get the buy-in that people use it, especially small businesses. I don’t know of any of our small business clients that use it, but some do, I’m sure to drive sales.
07:24.04
Andy Young
It wrecks adolescent brains. So there’s a big negative there. steals a lot of data. So that’s a negative there. You know, cards on table. I wouldn’t be sad to see it go.
07:38.43
Tim
Yeah.
07:38.81
Andy Young
mean,
07:39.71
Tim
lot of people want it though. That’s the thing.
07:42.21
Andy Young
That’s true. That’s true. You know, I see so many people just like out in public, like, or I guess TikTok you swipe, right?
07:50.31
Tim
I don’t know.
07:51.79
Andy Young
Which way do you go on TikTok? One of them you go up.
07:54.47
Tim
I don’t use it.
07:55.59
Andy Young
I know me neither. So I’m an angry old guy over here. no.
08:00.32
Tim
Oh,
08:01.50
Andy Young
I don’t like social media. No, the reality is, it’s going to be what it is.
08:06.76
Andy Young
Free market. Hopefully, you know, works out well in the midst of a down market, I guess any good news might help reverse some things. So Amazon’s up, that might be good.
08:18.88
Andy Young
But who knows? It does remind me that data security is paramount for businesses. So if you are using TikTok, it’s something to keep in mind.
08:29.18
Andy Young
It is voracious devourer of your personal data. And so that’s one of the good things that Bunker cybersecurity does is we can help companies ensure that that data is protected regardless of what platform you’re on, how you’re using it and can kind of help create some safeguards, procedures, and even, know, software rules to help prevent information getting out there that you don’t want out there.
08:44.46
Tim
Right.
08:55.82
Tim
Bunker,
08:56.51
Andy Young
Yeah. So keep bunker in mind as you’re looking at some security issues in your company.
09:00.44
Tim
bunker. Okay.
09:02.17
Andy Young
Bunker. All right. So here’s something cool too. Another little breakthrough, like a nuclear battery, we’re moving into the stratosphere of where technology can take us.
09:14.09
Andy Young
TSMC, which is a chip maker, Taiwanese chip maker at that, they created two nanometer chip.
09:22.50
Tim
Yeah,
09:22.60
Andy Young
So previously we’ve been at five nanometers on most of our electronics. So we got a two nanometer chip. Tell us what’s the significance. Why does that matter?
09:34.98
Tim
the TSMC recently announced their North American technology symposium that volume production of the first generation 2 nanometer chip is scheduled for the second half of 2025.
09:46.31
Tim
It’s very tiny. Very, very, very tiny.
09:48.66
Andy Young
So here we come.
09:51.39
Andy Young
Yeah, it’s nuts. Yeah, and we’re already done with the first quarter, right? So at the end of second quarter, 2025, they’re going to start producing these. What kind of improvements will this chip give us?
10:02.82
Tim
Yeah, compared to the current N3E process, the new N2 chip will deliver 10% to 15% performance increase at the same power consumption or 25% to 30% power reduction at the same performance level.
10:18.28
Tim
They’re also aiming for a 15% increase in the chip density. Ooh, is it going to be?
10:21.73
Andy Young
Whoa.
10:24.76
Andy Young
Whoa. So it gives you two options. You can either have same performance and lower power, longer battery life, less power consumption, or you can keep power consumption the same and increase.
10:40.67
Andy Young
performance those are big numbers 15 performance increase or 25 think of that like your battery could last instead of 10 hours it would last 12 and a half hours yeah yeah so how would this impact like other ways too that it would impact consumer devices what are some of those
10:52.56
Tim
Well, we’ll take that percentage. Okay.
10:59.98
Tim
Well, likely you’ll see these chips in the retail devices by 2026. The improvements mean thinner, lighter, and more powerful smartphones and laptops with better baggy life. For applications, these chips will enhance training and inferencing, making AI faster and more accessible.
11:20.99
Tim
And they’re also introducing something called NanoFlex technology, which will allow the chip designers to mix and match different cell types within the same design for optimized performance or power consumption.
11:34.07
Tim
Hey-oh.
11:36.82
Andy Young
This is big.
11:38.47
Tim
Mm-hmm.
11:38.54
Andy Young
I mean, this is one that you’ll probably hear it first. This will be a game changer.
11:44.05
Tim
Mm-hmm.
11:44.04
Andy Young
I mean, when you think about IT infrastructure, you know, a lot of the same chips that are in your cell phones are in different access points or even switches or cameras or door access readers.
12:00.10
Andy Young
This is huge.
12:01.36
Tim
It is huge.
12:02.47
Andy Young
So it means if I’m looking to buy cell phone, I should limp mine along until 2026. Definitely.
12:09.13
Tim
Yeah, we’ll just wait little longer.
12:11.15
Andy Young
going wait. We’re going wait on that. We’re going see how long it’ll last. Man. So more efficient chips mean better performance, means less power.
12:15.52
Tim
Mm-hmm.
12:20.58
Tim
Mm-hmm.
12:20.66
Andy Young
It means our clients could actually see cost savings on consumption.
12:25.42
Tim
Mm-hmm.
12:28.37
Andy Young
on heat, right? Cause that’s the other big thing in these servers rooms that you and I get into, man, they are, they are hot.
12:33.51
Tim
Oh,
12:35.66
Andy Young
You get six or seven servers pumping heat out. And even, you know, some of the mini split systems can’t keep them cool enough. So that could be a big jump.
12:42.53
Tim
yeah.
12:45.07
Tim
Constant AC units running all the time, making it cold in the room. Look how energy guys are using. mean, hmm.
12:50.81
Andy Young
Yeah, which is a good time because I think President Trump also back in January announced a national emergency about energy prices. So, you know, that’s good.
13:00.100
Tim
Mm-hmm.
13:04.04
Andy Young
i We’re battling all kinds of stuff here and technology is helping us win that war. So that’s good. Hey-oh.
13:11.80
Tim
Absolutely. Win.
13:14.18
Andy Young
We’re doing it.
13:15.10
Tim
Win. One second, let
13:15.87
Andy Young
No, I could see actually, you know, you’ve got a 50 year battery that could run your smartphone. And now you’ve got a smaller, thinner chip and you have flexible LED displays. Imagine you like pull an origami crane out of your pocket and unfold it as your phone.
13:30.66
Tim
me get this out.
13:33.76
Andy Young
It’s my crane phone.
13:38.83
Andy Young
Oh, yeah. No, that would be wild. But I do think that you’ll start to see, well, last week on podcast, we talked about smart glasses, augmented glasses and stuff.
13:49.71
Andy Young
You know, we actually start probably we’ll see processors in those.
13:53.92
Tim
Oh, yeah.
13:54.04
Andy Young
You know, they’ll put, yeah, they’ll put the antennas in there and everything probably, and you won’t even have a phone.
13:54.54
Tim
Especially how small the enemy are getting.
14:00.76
Andy Young
You’ll just have a pair of glasses.
14:02.58
Tim
And then we can use the LTE to a different planet.
14:05.71
Andy Young
Right out to the moon.
14:06.97
Tim
There we go.
14:06.98
Andy Young
what’s going on? What’s going on, moon people? What’s the weather like up there?
14:12.13
Tim
I can see you with your glasses out there.
14:12.29
Andy Young
Sunny?
14:14.59
Andy Young
Yeah. Exactly. Man. It is like our kids are going to live in a world that we won’t recognize. You know, like I can’t even imagine.
14:27.26
Andy Young
So it’ll be fun.
14:29.55
Tim
It was just like we were talking about that movie last week.
14:32.03
Andy Young
Yeah. Yeah. ah You’re so right. All right. Last topic for this week. So you use Apple Health, don’t you, Tim?
14:44.86
Tim
Yes.
14:44.84
Andy Young
I think. Okay, yeah, you got the Apple Watch. I’ve got Garmin, so use Garmin Connect. And both Apple and Garmin this week, Apple notably has this new project in the works.
14:57.32
Tim
Ooh.
14:57.30
Andy Young
And so what do you know about it?
14:59.59
Tim
Yes, it’s called Project Mulberry. Apple’s development AI agent that can dispense health device integrated with their health app. Good to know. Good to know.
15:12.24
Andy Young
That’s nuts. So how exactly is this going to work?
15:18.34
Tim
the health app would collect data from the device like iPhones and Apple watches. And then the AI coach would offer personalized recommendations on fitness, nutrients, sleep, and mental wellbeing.
15:31.37
Tim
Hmm.
15:32.23
Andy Young
Oh.
15:34.49
Tim
They’re training the AI using data from the doctors on staff and are recruiting outside specialists in the area like cardiology and nutrient.
15:43.70
Andy Young
Whoa. So, so Bill Gates stated earlier, I think it was last week, he said within nine to 10 years, most doctors and teachers would be replaced with AI.
15:46.30
Tim
Hmm.
15:58.31
Tim
Mm-hmm. Oh.
15:58.50
Andy Young
And that seems abstract to people. I think it’s going to be quicker than that, honestly. And now you’ve got Apple that’s like, Hey, We got this. We’ll have these doctors, nutritionists and cardiologists train this data so that we can make diagnoses off of the device on your wrist that’s monitoring you 24 seven.
16:20.33
Andy Young
Insane. So yeah. What, what are consumers thinking about this? What’s the sentiment out there for AI health services?
16:27.95
Tim
Right. Well, according to the surveys by Deloitte and bill Carta many consumers believe that generation AI could improve access to healthcare 53% and make it more affordable 46%.
16:32.02
Andy Young
I think it’s Deloitte. Yeah. Yeah.
16:45.32
Tim
Those who have used generative AI are even more optimistic about their potential benefits.
16:52.70
Andy Young
Man, so it’s kind of crazy. So I’ve had this like weird virus cold, you know, like I got my vaccines, right? got my flu vaccine and all that. And think it was probably flu, honestly, from what
17:01.74
Tim
Just five?
17:05.15
Andy Young
Happens, but somewhere in February, let’s say I got the flu, was vaccinated, it didn’t come across as a flu. But, you know, ups and downs, these cycles, I’ve been to the doctor a few times just to make sure, you know, like, hey, I feel like I might have a sinus infection. And they’re like, well, you’re right on the verge.
17:19.76
Andy Young
You know, here’s five days antibiotics, you know, and you’re like, five days enough. Anyway, they’re doctors, they what they’re doing.
17:25.13
Andy Young
So, you know, over the course of these two months, basically, you know, you get nickeled and dimed with co-pays. And if you don’t have insurance, my goodness, you would just be like, well, nevermind. And the only reason I did this is because previously I got yelled at by my doctor of like, you you need to come see us. We can help you. That’s our job.
17:43.100
Andy Young
Being one that I’m always like, I’m reluctant. Crossover 40. I start like, oh yeah, I’m getting old. I probably need to listen to doctors finally. So you’ve got this, though, where there wouldn’t be, per se, a copay.
17:59.29
Andy Young
It’s just saying, oh, you probably have a virus. Here’s what you need to do.
18:03.23
Tim
You go,
18:04.51
Andy Young
You know, or it’s saying like, hey, Andy. You moron, you have sickness and you need to not wake up at 5am and go work out because it’s going be better for your body not to do that today. You know, like, so this could be interesting.
18:18.75
Andy Young
Or it would say, you know, you ate a dozen donuts on Saturday morning. That’s not good for your health, right? That might be some things. I didn’t really eat a dozen, but I could if I wanted to.
18:30.37
Andy Young
And that’s what matters.
18:31.05
Tim
Right.
18:31.91
Andy Young
Yeah. Are there, do you think there’s concerns like with people in these AI health services, like that it’s AI?
18:38.100
Tim
Oh, yeah, definitely. I mean, it’s a risk including inaccurate responses or products not working as promised. Additionally, subscription-based models might have consumers pay extra for overlapping services they already have access through OpenAI and other platforms.
18:55.15
Tim
Mm-hmm.
18:56.30
Andy Young
That’s interesting too, right? So why would you, because like I know with Garmin Connect that came out, you could pay extra and it’ll give you insights, right? Like the Garmin product is still free.
19:04.80
Tim
Right.
19:05.09
Andy Young
don’t have a monthly payment with it. Excuse me. But you do have to pay extra if you want the AI insights. So I’m like, okay, well, I already pay for, know, perplexity each month.
19:15.81
Tim
It’s true.
19:17.98
Andy Young
Why would I pay an extra subscription to an AI model I already technically have access to?
19:26.43
Andy Young
Yeah. I guess, I guess one pro would be the data is already there. So I wouldn’t have to like cut and paste data or anything like that. It’s just right.
19:34.74
Tim
Excuse me, doctor. Me copy and paste.
19:38.66
Andy Young
Dr. AI.
19:39.86
Tim
Excuse me.
19:39.81
Andy Young
have question, but let me paste this in from this other app.
19:45.14
Andy Young
Yeah. That probably is not good. You know, would you use it? That’s the big question, right? Like, would you use an AI doctor and let it write your prescription and make a diagnosis?
19:56.11
Tim
Oh, not now. I would wait for another five to ten years at least until we know AI is more
20:00.08
Andy Young
Yeah.
20:03.68
Tim
Ready, ready.
20:03.88
Andy Young
Yeah.
20:04.77
Tim
Because it’s so new still.
20:07.30
Andy Young
I guess I would let it diagnose certain things.
20:10.22
Tim
Right, simple. But then, like, you need a procedure.
20:12.46
Andy Young
Yeah, like,
20:15.39
Andy Young
Yeah. You know, like… I would say simple things that would be interesting. Man, I just thought of another thing too, is I was like, well, you know, like I’m having a sinus pain, earache, you know, like, oh, my shoulder hurts.
20:30.40
Andy Young
It could probably prescribe PT and walk you through it instead of you having to go to a physical therapist. But the other thing I thought of too, is it could potentially be able to make connections with that doctors aren’t now because if you go to a doctor and you’re man, my knee hurts, they don’t look at it.
20:47.28
Andy Young
They recommend you go to a specialist now.
20:49.57
Tim
Oh, yeah.
20:50.67
Andy Young
So if all of a sudden your primary care physician was and it had access to all of that information through my chart or something like that, it might be able to make connections about like, oh, your shoulder hurts and you’ve got headaches and your blood oxygen level’s been low.
20:58.95
Tim
Right.
21:06.65
Andy Young
Hmm. Let’s get some blood work and see if your white blood cells are up because you might have a type of lymphoma.
21:12.62
Tim
Oh, it’s true.
21:13.66
Andy Young
Where your primary care doctor might just be like, oh, no, you’re just your shoulder hurts. You’re fine.
21:18.19
Tim
You’re fine. Put some duct tape on it.
21:20.82
Andy Young
Just ice it and take ibuprofen.
21:22.62
Andy Young
You’ll be fine.
21:25.05
Tim
And we’ll charge you $150 for that.
21:25.19
Andy Young
I don’t know why I went with like a Austrian accent there.
21:26.24
Tim
I think
21:27.79
Andy Young
Like Arnold Schwarzenegger was my doctor.
21:29.73
Tim
so. That would be…
21:31.56
Andy Young
I’m the doctor.
21:34.45
Andy Young
I don’t know why I went there, but that would be exciting if he was your doctor.
21:38.56
Tim
ah
21:39.38
Andy Young
Yeah. mean, what do you think he’d say if you walked in and you’re like, man, you know, really think I need to lose a couple pounds.
21:45.86
Tim
Run and get to the chopper.
21:50.90
Andy Young
He’d be like, yes, Andy, you need to lose a lot of pounds.
21:57.95
Andy Young
No, that’s, that’s, quit eating a dozen donuts.
21:58.82
Tim
Stop putting pepperonis on your pizza.
22:04.13
Andy Young
Oh, Arnold. You know, I think probably he’s the one person that’s most imitated in the world right now.
22:10.75
Tim
Oh.
22:12.16
Andy Young
I would guess if you were like, what, what percentage of people in the United States can do, you know, different celebrities accents, Arnold would be at the top of the list, you know, like, yeah, everybody has their Arnold.
22:12.34
Tim
Hmm. Yeah.
22:24.53
Tim
yeah you would i was thinking rocky but it would be wouldn’t it
22:27.21
Andy Young
So know.
22:31.09
Andy Young
Oh, that’s a good one, too. Do you think we’re biased because we’re males and we like those like type of movies and those were our heroes growing up in a way that we, you yeah, we’ll need to get a female to chime in on that.
22:39.43
Tim
strength voice that’s probably just grew up with those awesome movies
22:47.60
Andy Young
Like, you know, yeah, yeah. That’s probably okay. Well, maybe next episode, maybe next episode we’ll, we’ll have a snippet of like, Hey,
23:02.06
Andy Young
What are the top accents for females to mimic? Top actors, actresses, whoever.
23:08.21
Tim
Yeah. Hector or something.
23:10.62
Andy Young
Well, before we get too far down the wrong path, let me just say this has been an interesting episode. We’ve gone from nuclear batteries to health monitoring, and becoming Dr.
23:19.09
Tim
Mm-hmm.
23:24.24
Andy Young
AI. So we’ve got technology. It’s evolving at an incredible pace.
23:31.57
Tim
Man, that’s crazy. Yeah, yeah.
23:32.74
Andy Young
Get
23:33.33
Tim
We’ll be here to help our listeners make sense of all. If we need get Ardo involved.
23:40.26
Andy Young
the Arnold in here.
23:42.01
Tim
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23:55.36
Andy Young
We do. And until next time, thank you for listening.
23:59.84
Tim
Mm-hmm.
