A look into DeepSeek as an AI game changer, France’s Privacy push, Signal App faux pas from the US Defense team, and new Augmented Reality (AR) glasses.
TRANSCRIPT:
00:00.77
Andy Young
Welcome to another episode of the 825 Technologies Podcast. I’m your host and a founder, CEO of 825 Technologies.
00:09.33
Tim
And I’m Tim, Senior Tech at 825 Tech. Great to be back for episode 70. Hoot, hoot.
00:15.13
Andy Young
Right, man. That’s right. And today, we’ve got some pretty exciting developments to discuss. So let’s kick off. Let’s get into DeepSeek.
00:26.03
Andy Young
the great little search engine that could. They just released a really significant update to their version three large language model.
00:35.18
Tim
Yeah, that’s right. mean, March 25th, DeepSeek made this upgrade model available through Hugging Face. What’s interesting is the Chinese star is really making waves in the AI sector competitive directly with giants like OpenAI and Anthropik.
00:51.84
Andy Young
Yes. Yes. And Enthropic is a cool one. I like Claude. Claude does good work. I feel like there should be like Monsieur Claude.
01:01.44
Tim
What a joke.
01:01.94
Andy Young
But anyway, yeah. So with DeepCeclo, they got this improvement. The new version, really the improvements are in reasoning and coding capabilities.
01:12.21
Andy Young
So yeah, I mean, that’s kind of big when you look at small businesses. So Tim, what’s your take on how this is going to affect small businesses?
01:22.79
Tim
well DeepSeek is definitely getting intentions because their models perform at similar level to ChatGGP but at lower cost for SMBs with limited budgets this could be a game changer make advanced AI capabilities more accessible hmm
01:32.36
Andy Young
Right.
01:40.29
Andy Young
Yes. And that’s, I mean, small business, it comes down to the dollar, right? Because I mean, if you’re small business and you’re eking out a 10% profit, you know, 10% of $2 million a lot less than 10% of $2 billion.
01:54.65
Tim
It is a lot less.
01:57.20
Andy Young
So it does come down to that dollar, especially when a bag of Fritos is $6.
02:02.45
Tim
Hmm.
02:02.66
Andy Young
So, you know, even Apple, their CEO, Tim Cook, he said that the DeepSeek model, in his words, are excellent.
02:11.90
Tim
Hmm.
02:12.84
Andy Young
It was a conference in China. So, I mean, you don’t go to China and say, it’s crap. I think they detain you for that.
02:19.38
Tim
Right.
02:19.40
Andy Young
But who knows? But no, in all honesty, he did mention that there’s any innovation that drives efficiency is a good thing. And really, that’s what small businesses, they need that.
02:30.66
Andy Young
They need that efficiency.
02:32.87
Andy Young
Yeah.
02:33.87
Tim
I think this is where our MSP services, 825 technology can really help businesses navigate through these options.
02:41.38
Andy Young
Yeah.
02:41.75
Tim
Many SMBs don’t even have an in-house expertise and evaluate and implement AI solutions. Mm-hmm.
02:48.25
Andy Young
That is a really great point. Yeah. So it’s funny over the last, I’d say six months, we’ve been spending a lot of time with companies, helping them not only implement AI tools and specific needs, but looking at their budget, coming up with policies for their company of what they’re going to use AI for.
03:09.97
Andy Young
And it’s not just about the technology. It’s about using it effectively. Another interesting thing for small businesses to put on their radar is Bill Gates. You got, you know, Tim Cook talking about it. Bill Gates is talking about AI.
03:23.06
Andy Young
He said that in 10 years, AI will replace most teachers and doctors.
03:28.99
Tim
I agree.
03:30.57
Andy Young
I’m, Yeah, it’s not hard getting an appointment with AI. It’s near impossible getting an appointment with your doctor. So in every seven months or seven, yeah, every seven months right now, the task capabilities of AI is doubling.
03:46.37
Tim
Wow.
03:47.26
Andy Young
Yeah.
03:49.29
Tim
And even more affordable options like DeepSeek entered the market and will see an increased interest from our clients who previously thought AI was out of reach of their businesses size.
04:00.72
Andy Young
So true.
04:01.22
Tim
Mm hmm. Mm
04:03.43
Andy Young
So not only can we, you know, through our MSP offering help with that, you know, the other side that we have is bunker cybersecurity and really, you know, through those VCIO services, we can start to tweak in a strategy where not only does it pay for our VCIO service, but, but they’re seeing this huge efficiency gain and profit gain that they didn’t have before.
04:14.73
Tim
hmm.
04:26.97
Andy Young
yeah,
04:27.09
Tim
Right.
04:28.37
Andy Young
I mean, it’s pretty amazing. AI has changed a lot. So in your life, is there anything that’s really standing out that you use it for now that, man, it’s so much easier?
04:39.87
Tim
Well, I mean, questions like sometimes even like you Googling stuff and all that, you never get good answer. But the good thing is with these AIs, I mean, they’re just going through things thousands of times faster than, you know, us and humans, the finding a good answer for you.
04:56.14
Tim
I like using that kind of stuff.
04:58.24
Andy Young
Yeah.
04:59.29
Tim
But yeah, everyday tasks. I mean, I could just see cars and everything taken over and it’s good. It’s going to pretty cool out there in the future.
05:08.39
Andy Young
You know, it will. It will. There’s a part of me that’s, you know, uncertain about, well, what are we going to do? You know, like, how are we going to earn money?
05:20.76
Tim
True.
05:22.17
Andy Young
But there’s always, it never changes, right? I’m sure people thought that when the tractor came around. You know, and these farmers were like, well, how are our farm hands going to earn money?
05:27.83
Tim
right.
05:31.39
Andy Young
Well, you just, you end up farming more land, I guess. I don’t, I don’t know. There you go.
05:35.19
Tim
And save your hands. That’s right.
05:38.89
Andy Young
Yeah. Yeah. right. Well, our next topic, it’s actually pretty concerning and it’s been in the news a lot. So the Pentagon issued. This is funny because, I mean, if you haven’t been paying attention, there’s been this huge signal breach of our national security about some bombings of Houthi rebels.
05:50.29
Tim
Mm-hmm.
05:59.60
Andy Young
But so the Pentagon back March 18th, they issued a department wide advisory warning about vulnerabilities in the signal messaging app.
06:09.38
Tim
Hmm, what’s fascinating about the timing is it came just days before a major security breach, where top national security officials accidentally included journalists in the signal chat about bombing.
06:21.84
Tim
I said that how you incite.
06:23.54
Andy Young
Houthi. Yeah, those Houthis.
06:26.86
Andy Young
Yeah. Yeah, so the Houthis over in Yemen. So what’s funny is the memo that was issued, like, hey, watch out. Signal could be problematic.
06:38.38
Andy Young
It specifically warned that Russian professional hacking groups are employing the linked devices features to spy on encrypted conversations.
06:50.07
Andy Young
So in layman terms, that means they got eyes on your phone.
06:50.25
Tim
Ooh. Scary.
06:55.57
Andy Young
They have spyware on your phone so that they’re not having to intercept the message and decrypt it. They’re just watching it on your phone in its un-crypted state.
07:08.73
Tim
Hmm.
07:08.85
Andy Young
Yes.
07:10.19
Tim
That explicitly stated that while third-party messaging apps like Signal are allowed for unclassified accountability and recall exercises, they’re not sanctioned for processing or storing non-public unclassified data. Hmm.
07:25.55
Andy Young
Yes. So this raises huge questions about secure communication for businesses as well, right?
07:26.07
Tim
Hmm.
07:32.81
Tim
Right.
07:33.62
Andy Young
First off, you just kind of have to sit for a minute and understand, I guess, there’s a lot going on in anybody’s day. And that you have to respect the procedures and standard operating procedures for what they are. They keep people safe.
07:50.08
Tim
Right. Mm-hmm.
07:50.15
Andy Young
They were created as guardrails to make sure Not only do you get to the correct destination, but you do so with minimal damage to everything and everyone around you.
08:00.76
Tim
right
08:02.01
Andy Young
Yes. So, you know, like for our clients, many use encrypted messaging apps for sensitive internal stuff. Whether you’re doing DD2345, confidential and classified information, whether you’re working in HIPAA, any client information, whether you’re working in finance,
08:19.34
Tim
Mm-hmm.
08:22.100
Andy Young
You know, banks or financial institutions, financial advisors, insurance brokers, some of those clients of ours, they have to send things encrypted and securely. Right? So,
08:33.71
Andy Young
yeah.
08:34.04
Tim
Exactly. And Signal has responded to this concern saying that they’re not aware of any vulnerabilities. They haven’t already addressed publicly. Their spokesman mentioned they introduced additional safeguards months ago to protect against phishing attacks.
08:48.78
Tim
Right.
08:49.90
Andy Young
Yeah. kind of funny. They’re like, you know, this, this isn’t our fault that there’s spyware on your phone.
08:55.04
Tim
Mm-hmm.
08:56.62
Andy Young
And they’re right. Honestly, like if you got spyware on your phone, that’s not theirs to own.
09:01.44
Andy Young
It does kind of highlight why cybersecurity isn’t just a one-time setup though. You know, everybody’s always like, well, why is there a recurring charge associated with your cybersecurity services?
09:11.81
Andy Young
It’s like, well, because this environment changes hourly, not just daily.
09:17.19
Tim
minutes too.
09:17.35
Andy Young
Every hour. Yes. Yeah. So there’s this constant monitoring, constant updates. Yeah. Which, Hey, that’s what bunkers for bunker cybersecurity, right?
09:27.44
Andy Young
We just hammer out those updates never ending.
09:30.31
Tim
So boom.
09:31.58
Andy Young
It is funny. Microsoft lately has just exploded with the amount of updates that they offer each day.
09:36.24
Tim
And here it comes.
09:37.40
Tim
Have some more.
09:37.90
Andy Young
Yeah. Yeah.
09:38.97
Tim
ah
09:39.93
Andy Young
Yeah.
09:40.11
Tim
I think this incidence is a perfect example of why compliance of cybersecurity needs to go hand in hand. Even the Pentagon is struggling with these issues. Oh,
09:49.79
Andy Young
Absolutely. You know, I read that the Department of Agriculture hasn’t passed an audit. think was the Department of… It was one of our big departments in like 10 years.
10:02.02
Tim
geez.
10:03.11
Andy Young
So yeah, the compliance thing…
10:04.01
Tim
audit. Wow.
10:05.57
Andy Young
Yeah. It’s a big deal. So any of our clients that are in that regulated industry, we always emphasize the importance of using not only approved communication channels for sensitive information, but you know, best practices on safety, cybersecurity, phishing, email, the whole nine, you know, it’s a big deal.
10:22.27
Tim
Right. Hmm.
10:25.07
Andy Young
It’s big deal. What kind of segueing into that? So we’re, we’re, we’re talking about security.
10:29.19
Tim
Hmm.
10:31.02
Andy Young
Yeah. Compliance and all that. There’s some really positive news for privacy advocates.
10:39.41
Tim
Hmm.
10:39.47
Andy Young
If you’re like me, I like to know that, not that I’m hiding anything, but I want people reading my messages I’m sending to my wife or, you know, seeing what my daughters are looking up on the internet.
10:52.81
Andy Young
There’s just so much that’s out there. You know, when we were kids, Tim, I mean, we could sneak out, do something and nobody’d know and there’s no record of it, right?
11:03.42
Tim
I hope not. At least there’s a government person just like around the corner. Yeah.
11:09.53
Andy Young
Tim, we got a, you got stories, man. We might have, no, I’m just kidding.
11:15.04
Andy Young
Yeah. Well, now, you know, kids, mean, they get out there and stuff gets on social media. It’s there forever.
11:20.70
Tim
Yep.
11:20.67
Andy Young
I feel bad for him.
11:21.11
Tim
Everything is watched, unfortunately. It’s just so hard to avoid. And like you said, back in the day, it’s nice to have that.
11:26.84
Andy Young
Yeah.
11:30.28
Tim
We didn’t have that much online thing. Everything was either written down or something else. Hmm.
11:36.02
Andy Young
Yeah. Well, you know, privacy advocates, we can rejoice now. March 21st, the French National Assembly rejected a very controversial proposal that would have undermined end-to-end encryption.
11:44.14
Tim
Hmm.
11:51.18
Tim
Hmm. Oh, this was part of the Drug Trafficking Act, right? Hmm.
11:55.60
Andy Young
You are correct, yes.
11:57.54
Tim
The provision would have required messaging platforms like Signal, WhatsApp, to allow hidden access to private conversations. Ooh, there you go.
12:05.75
Andy Young
Exact amongo to him. Yep. So there was a decent amount of pressure from what read on the French, like as far as the interior ministry, they were hopeful that they could get this, but lawmakers struck down the provision that would have essentially created a backdoor to these private apps like Signal and to WhatsApp.
12:28.03
Tim
Wow. What’s interesting, it follows France’s previous stance in 2016 when they rejected a similar amendment to the Digital Republic law.
12:36.72
Andy Young
Yeah.
12:37.06
Tim
It shows a consistent approach to protecting encryption.
12:40.93
Andy Young
Vive la France.
12:42.46
Tim
Right.
12:43.46
Andy Young
Yeah. I mean, Hey, there you go. They, they might not have put up a good fight in world war two, but man, they’re doing it now.
12:45.67
Tim
Right?
12:50.25
Tim
Yes, they are.
12:50.83
Andy Young
Yeah. Yeah. It’s definitely a decision that has global implications. And I think you’ve got, you know, UK, you’ve got you’ve got Australia,
13:02.72
Andy Young
And they’re continuing to push for the same type of anti-encryption policies.
13:09.78
Andy Young
Yeah, so I think that it’s good that, you know, France kind of the leader in it and also proving like it’s okay.
13:17.85
Andy Young
There’ve always been encrypted messages that couldn’t be decoded. That’s life.
13:23.65
Tim
Oh yeah, we all like that.
13:23.79
Andy Young
Get over it. Yeah, the government doesn’t need to know everything.
13:28.84
Tim
No, not at all.
13:29.31
Andy Young
You know, that’s all right.
13:30.42
Tim
Well, it’s, it’s crazy is because it’s just, it’s a country you would never think about coming up with some kind great idea.
13:37.73
Andy Young
you You’d expect them to turn out another great wine or another wonderful cheese like Brie. And instead they’re like, yeah, it’s a good deal.
13:43.71
Tim
you get an app, get a free bottle. bottle. Um,
13:47.83
Andy Young
Yeah.
13:50.70
Tim
I know Apple has been fighting this battle in the UK. They even withdraw their encryption feature from UK users rather than comply with government demands from backdoor access.
14:00.50
Andy Young
Yeah. That was last month too. They, they didn’t remove it from us users.
14:02.22
Tim
Wow.
14:05.42
Andy Young
U S still has it. But it’s enough that makes me wonder, ooh, how long is that going to last in the US? So that could be problematic.
14:16.48
Andy Young
So it’s something our clients need to be aware of, especially those with any international operations, because the regulatory landscape around encryption is starting to vary significantly based on country.
14:19.20
Tim
Hmm.
14:33.20
Tim
Wow. Wow.
14:34.67
Andy Young
Yeah.
14:35.89
Tim
And it’s constantly evolving. That’s why the compliance services through Bunker Social Security, including keeping our clients updated for these regulatory changes.
14:45.86
Andy Young
Exactly. Yep. So we do help business navigate those complex requirements, keeping them secure, keeping them ready, getting a strong posture around these compliance things.
14:51.84
Tim
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
14:58.19
Andy Young
And I think it’s, think it’s hard too, because we have treated so much of our, our freedom for convenience.
15:11.11
Andy Young
And so, you know, our kids coming up, the next generation
15:17.94
Andy Young
they won’t know what it’s like to live without DoorDash, right?
15:21.16
Tim
Right?
15:21.58
Andy Young
They won’t, you know, they won’t know what it’s like to, to not have AI sitting there waiting for them to ask random questions and get incredibly accurate information from it.
15:34.12
Andy Young
They won’t, man, we had to go to library, you know?
15:36.49
Tim
Oh, I know. Right?
15:38.04
Andy Young
Yeah.
15:38.15
Tim
Yeah.
15:38.77
Andy Young
Yeah. And sometimes you’d find stuff and it would be in reference book you couldn’t check out.
15:43.58
Tim
Oh, yeah, that’s true.
15:44.36
Andy Young
So you had to have a pocket full of dimes because the copy of page was a dime.
15:49.02
Tim
I do remember that. Wow.
15:50.26
Andy Young
You know? And so they won’t know that. That’s wild.
15:53.69
Tim
Can I get some more dimes?
15:55.56
Andy Young
Right, right. And they had change machines. And it would only spit out dimes. And you’re like, you know, you’re getting change. Because some of the machines, at least at the Westfield Public Library, some of them, like the Coke machine, didn’t have a dollar bill thing.
16:07.76
Tim
Oh, yeah.
16:10.11
Andy Young
And so if you wanted… If you wanted water, you’d put in a dollar and get like 20 dimes 10 dimes, you know, start feeding in five dimes anyway.
16:19.11
Tim
And that’s the year Andy went to the bank for this change. Yeah.
16:23.87
Andy Young
Exactly. Oh man. So we’ll hit on our final topic here for this episode, episode 70. And it’s about Samsung. We last episode, we talked about their new user interface coming out, but they have another great,
16:38.80
Andy Young
drop if you will and it’s some smart glasses later this year they’re set to launch yeah
16:45.56
Tim
Well, that’s exciting. According to the reports, Samsung is finally finalizing a product codenamed Heenan. Is it?
16:54.14
Andy Young
yeah yeah excuse me it’s right yeah
16:54.88
Tim
That will released alongside Heenan? We’ll find out when they say it. This will be released alongside their Project Mohan Mixed Reality headset.
17:07.30
Tim
Ooh, how…
17:08.38
Andy Young
Yes. Wuhan, I guess. Wuhan? Yeah, so the smart glasses are apparently going to feature a built-in display that overlays information directly on the lenses, kind of augmented reality.
17:22.99
Andy Young
And then they’ll also have speakers integrated for audio feedback.
17:28.43
Tim
That’s interesting about the design of Samsung is focusing on comfort and eliminating the need for remote controls or physical buttons. Hmm. Instead, they’re incorporating cameras and sensors for gesture-based interactions.
17:40.91
Tim
That’s pretty cool.
17:41.08
Andy Young
Sounds like they’re taking a different approach from what Meta’s done with the Ray-Ban glasses.
17:46.60
Tim
Mm-hmm.
17:46.71
Andy Young
They do have some physical controls on those.
17:49.61
Tim
Right. And these glasses will likely run on Google Android XR operating systems. Ooh. They also report they will integrate with Google Gemini AI systems. That’s interesting.
18:00.90
Andy Young
Yes, could be a game changer for businesses that are looking to implement some augmented reality solutions.
18:04.23
Tim
Mm-hmm.
18:07.13
Andy Young
So I’m thinking of things like, I don’t know, healthcare, doing some surgeries, and you have an overlay of what to do next.
18:11.45
Tim
right
18:16.78
Andy Young
Or like manufacturing your standard, you know, bombs or bill of materials and procedures are packaged in it. So as you’re like walking through the factory, it’s showing arrows of where to go find this product.
18:28.34
Tim
that’s cool
18:29.85
Andy Young
Yeah. Or retail, you know, just you’re looking around the store and you’re wondering what price something is. It just shows up immediately.
18:37.50
Tim
That’s very interesting.
18:38.97
Andy Young
Yeah.
18:39.79
Tim
That’s cool. That will help a lot.
18:41.82
Andy Young
Yeah.
18:42.72
Tim
Absolutely. I mean, and through our IT project services at 825 Technologies, we can help businesses integrate these new devices into their existing infrastructure.
18:51.100
Andy Young
Yeah. Yeah. We’ve already started talking to some of our manufacturers about this actually about, you know, Hey, what does, what does this hold for the future of being able to look at a CNC machine and in real time, see what percentage that CNC machine is done running its program.
19:05.43
Tim
Oh, yeah.
19:12.14
Tim
Hmm.
19:12.13
Andy Young
Right. Because if you got your glasses and you just look over at it it’s like, Oh, 80% bar graph. That one’s 60%. And it has like,
19:18.90
Tim
That’s really cool.
19:19.91
Andy Young
yeah, there’s much time left. It helps people plan. that’s got five minutes left. Yeah, I can go do this other job real quick.
19:25.48
Tim
Oh, they’d be awesome.
19:27.86
Andy Young
Yeah, be pretty cool.
19:28.66
Tim
Wow. They would.
19:30.05
Andy Young
Be pretty cool. And then, you know, the coolest part for us is we could even develop a little custom app through Sheepdog Design Studio that could play into the, you know, capability of the smart glasses.
19:34.84
Tim
Hmm.
19:39.63
Tim
Hmm.
19:43.12
Andy Young
So I’m thinking of property management companies that we could build them an app
19:44.24
Tim
Oh,
19:47.32
Tim
wow.
19:49.35
Andy Young
So while they’re walking around, you know, people are walking around the app would show them what stores have like deals or specials going on.
19:57.35
Tim
Ooh.
19:58.13
Andy Young
Yeah. Like you’re walking around Easton per se and you can see, Oh, check that out. You know, Filson has a flannel shirts for a 20% off.
20:04.14
Tim
Right?
20:07.75
Andy Young
I’m going to go get myself a Filson flannel.
20:09.06
Tim
Better get it on.
20:11.58
Andy Young
Give me another flannel. I only have 20 these. Yeah.
20:17.35
Tim
Well, I’m also particularly interested how these are going compare to the Apple room AR glasses. The wearable AR market is really heating up on this.
20:25.64
Andy Young
It is, sir. It is. And Apple’s got to get on the ball here. Yeah. So I think Samsung’s saying that end of the year, they’ll have a batch of 500,000 units. So half a million and possible it’s possible. They’ll have an announcement at their next unpacked event in July.
20:44.06
Andy Young
So we’ll keep a close eye on that. Who knows?
20:46.21
Tim
so everyone’s going to be wearing glasses in the future
20:50.20
Andy Young
you know, it is, what movie was that? I think it was Minority Report, wasn’t it?
20:55.59
Tim
yeah it’s something like there’s that other cartoon based like movie that Steven Spielberg made that started in Ohio Columbus Ohio yes
20:57.77
Andy Young
Yeah.
21:09.47
Andy Young
Ready Player One.
21:11.17
Andy Young
Yes. Yeah, that was it. That’s it. That’s it. Exactly.
21:14.05
Tim
That’s what I was trying to
21:14.47
Andy Young
That’s a good example of this.
21:15.93
Tim
Right.
21:16.86
Andy Young
Yeah. Well, and I do foresee that they’ll go ahead and put like retinal scanners in the classes so that your glasses will only show displays when they’re on your eyes.
21:27.43
Tim
Wow.
21:27.78
Andy Young
I could, I could see things like that happening pretty, pretty quickly.
21:30.76
Tim
Right.
21:31.47
Andy Young
It, it, it does. I mean, part the nice thing is you take them off, right? You put them in your pocket. You don’t have to wear them.
21:38.50
Tim
Mm-hmm.
21:39.28
Andy Young
So that’s good at least, but it might help people’s necks. You know, that they don’t have to always be looking down at their phone.
21:45.35
Andy Young
They can look, Yeah, we won’t get phone neck anymore. So there’s some positive. Hopefully people take them off when they’re out in nature and enjoy everything that’s outside without being bombarded with information and all kinds of stuff we don’t need.
21:55.89
Tim
Right.
22:01.71
Tim
Right.
22:01.80
Andy Young
So, yeah.
22:03.35
Tim
Man.
22:04.37
Andy Young
Well, that about wraps up our discussion for today. We’ve covered DeepSeek’s AI model.
22:07.37
Tim
Mm-hmm.
22:09.43
Andy Young
We talked about the Pentagon’s warning about Signal, France’s rejection of the encryption backdoor, and then Samsung’s upcoming smart glasses.
22:20.13
Tim
It’s been a packed episode. As always, if any of our listeners have questions about these technologies that might impact their business, our team at 825 Technologies is here to help.
22:29.99
Andy Young
right. Whether you need some MSP services, managed service, IT projects, whether you need some web hosting or you’re looking at increasing your marketing presence, we can do that through Sheepdog Design Studio.
22:36.82
Tim
Mm-hmm.
22:44.36
Andy Young
And if you have questions about new regulatory updates, compliance, any cybersecurity items, definitely reach out to us at Bunker Cybersecurity. We’ve got you covered.
22:57.15
Tim
Well, thank you for listening to episode 70 of 825 Technologies Podcast. We’ll be back next time with more insight on the latest tech developments.
23:04.58
Andy Young
Until then, stay secure and tech savvy.
